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obezyian 10 hours ago [-]
I've been living for the past few years in another coastal region in Indonesia, which happens to be flooded since a millennium ago, probably more.
The flooding the article is talking about is relatively recent so the disaster aspect is real. It catches people by surprise. But when the flood has been there since time immemorial, people find ways to adapt and stop treating it as a disaster.
Where I live, houses are built on the water, even today. Poles are driven in the bottom, and you build on top. For streets, they pour shit ton of rubble to displace the water, then put tarmac on top. In the past, there were almost no roads at all, people moved around in boats. You want to buy food - you go with your boat to the "local market", which is just a bunch of other boats with sellers.
It affects the language as well. Since your house is high above water, you don't say "I'm going out", you say "I'm going down" - because you have to go down the stairs and into your boat. When you invite guests in, you say "Please, come up!", as if you are in a tree house :) This wording is used even today, when most houses are at ground level.
When you order food where you can choose the protein part yourself, the seller asks you "What [kind of] fish?", and you can say "eggs", or "chicken breast"! Historically, since most of the meat available was various kinds of fish, this was the established expression, and it has stuck to this day.
tensegrist 6 hours ago [-]
> When you invite guests in, you say "Please, come up!"
japanese also does this idiomatically: the verb 上がる "to rise" can be used for "to enter (a house)", which gives rise to expressions like お上がりください for "please come in"
bcjdjsndon 5 hours ago [-]
So life carries on just fine despite floods? Whoda thunkit
Unfortunately, this is one of those scroll-jacking sites so all the images are piled up along with the text making this link almost useless.
kakacik 7 hours ago [-]
Well they should look at their own sea gypsies - bajau people, how they live and lived in the past. Its wonderful to experience them and also read upon their history - in the past they had literal floating villages, migrating with seasonal currents, in complete tune with their environment.
In 50s IIRC forming government forced them to have stationary location/address, so they stubbornly agreed but still have all houses rising from the ocean on pillars, just anchored to some rocky cliff.
I love visiting that country, so vast, so diverse, so exotic to common western reality.
xinuc 6 hours ago [-]
The problem is, Indonesia is so diverse. Bajau people and the Javanese (the ones discussed in the article) have nothing in similar in their way of life.
Asking Javanese to learn from Bajau people is like asking ordinary Americans to learn from the Inuit, just because they happen to be citizen of same nation state.
331c8c71 7 hours ago [-]
I looked it up and it's quite fascinating indeed but I cannot stop thinking about sanitary challenges...
soulchild37 11 hours ago [-]
The paywall is so huge I can't even view the title of the article lol, bye Economist
The flooding the article is talking about is relatively recent so the disaster aspect is real. It catches people by surprise. But when the flood has been there since time immemorial, people find ways to adapt and stop treating it as a disaster.
Where I live, houses are built on the water, even today. Poles are driven in the bottom, and you build on top. For streets, they pour shit ton of rubble to displace the water, then put tarmac on top. In the past, there were almost no roads at all, people moved around in boats. You want to buy food - you go with your boat to the "local market", which is just a bunch of other boats with sellers.
It affects the language as well. Since your house is high above water, you don't say "I'm going out", you say "I'm going down" - because you have to go down the stairs and into your boat. When you invite guests in, you say "Please, come up!", as if you are in a tree house :) This wording is used even today, when most houses are at ground level.
When you order food where you can choose the protein part yourself, the seller asks you "What [kind of] fish?", and you can say "eggs", or "chicken breast"! Historically, since most of the meat available was various kinds of fish, this was the established expression, and it has stuck to this day.
japanese also does this idiomatically: the verb 上がる "to rise" can be used for "to enter (a house)", which gives rise to expressions like お上がりください for "please come in"
In 50s IIRC forming government forced them to have stationary location/address, so they stubbornly agreed but still have all houses rising from the ocean on pillars, just anchored to some rocky cliff.
I love visiting that country, so vast, so diverse, so exotic to common western reality.
Asking Javanese to learn from Bajau people is like asking ordinary Americans to learn from the Inuit, just because they happen to be citizen of same nation state.